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Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2759	Posted - 2016.09.03 07:47:30 - [1] - Quote Sorry, but you are not a new player and you don't speak for the new players if you lose 6bil ISK in Highsec. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2760	Posted - 2016.09.03 08:15:57 - [2] - Quote Bubba Freedom wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Sorry, but you are not a new player and you don't speak for the new players if you lose 6bil ISK in Highsec. Actually I can as a valid general high sec player as well as a person trying to improve game play for all high sec, there needs to be a serious discussion about this instead of trolling someone bringing up a legitimate point. No the account Isn't new by a long shot, however having spent quite a bit of time since coming back with new players that have been nearly killed out of game within 48 hours of starting, I do have grounds to bring this up. As I said before, if you can't stay on topic or just want to troll, please bug off. It tends to get threads like this locked, and this would be a good chance to use forums for what we should be using them for. Average player age last I checked was about 25 years old, let's have a mature conversation here. Ok, then let's have this discussion. CCP actually looked into this and they analysed the reason new players left for ~80'000 players. They assumed like you that ganking drives players away, but what they found was the complete contrary. The more isolated a player was the more likely he was to quit the game and never sub. Players who where on the receiving end of non consensual PvP where the most likely to stick with the game. Here is the video where CCP Rise explains everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y So your idea would actually achieve the complete opposite of what you try to do and it is not really hard to understand why. Most new players come to EVE because they read the fantastic stories about EVE and hope to one day be part of it. They don't come to EVE to mine endlessly or to grind the same mission in complete safety without consequences. By isolating them from the sandbox you make the game more boring from them. If you want to help with player retention then make sure you help them to get out there to null/low/wh and don't let them mine or run missions in Highsec. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2765	Posted - 2016.09.03 08:42:07 - [3] - Quote Bubba Freedom wrote: That "study" you refer too is already generally agreed by most of the player base to be toilet water, not to mention you can't get a new player out to null and have them be productive. The biggest alliances currently in nullsec in EVE are composed of only new players. Yes they are very effective and valuable players and they actually experience the game for what it is, a competitive massive multiplayer sandbox game. You simply oppose this study because it does not fit into your concept about your constructed problem. You oppose a study with a sample size of 80'000 players with your gut feelings and think you know better. You sir are a troll and this thread is reported for redundancy and trolling. Have a nice day the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2766	Posted - 2016.09.03 09:22:19 - [4] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Carebears are a loud, screaming minority and no one wants you or needs you around. Just like SJW, BLM and CODE. snickers /me smacks Sol (ingame) mars the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2768	Posted - 2016.09.04 08:48:06 - [5] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: I just trow in some blatant lies here to provoke a reaction Well done, you should become a politician. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2770	Posted - 2016.09.05 07:58:34 - [6] - Quote Dornier Pfeil wrote: Then it should be fair to say you support the study precisely because it comports with the bias you have. Just today's NYT had a piece discussing a paper that demonstrated how acceptance bias imbues us. Even real scientists are having problems demonstrating that their studies are reliable and say what is claimed they are saying. If trained scientists, disinterested, dispassionate, objective, are having trouble proving things then why should we accept CCP's conclusions. They are hardly a model of disinterest. I have to support OP. CCP demonstrated a correlation, not a causation. The most likely cause was simply that the kind of players who are most likely to stay are also the kind of players who are most likely to go out into the big, bad, cruel world where they can get shot in the face. OP is still a twit. You are looking at this the wrong way. Science works through falsification. You form a Hypothesis and calculate some predictions, then you check with facts if your hypothesis survives reality. CCP had a hypothesis, just like the OP and many other carebears. Let's call it "The Carebear Hypothesis". Like OP, those carebears stated for years that the decline in numbers has a direct correlation with people like us driving players away from EVE with nonconsensual PvP. In fact they said that even before the decline. People like the OP are crying about this on the forums from day one when EVE was in beta. Some people at CCP where also believers in "The Carebear Hypothesis", but they where in the unique position to verify/falsify the claim with actual data from new players who left the game. So they did and the presentation of CCP Rise shows the results. "The Carebear Hypothesis" was completely obliterated. The facts clearly show that the correlation OP and his carebear friends construct is false. The trend it shows is completely inverted to what carebears tell you, in fact the people who where on the receiving end of nonconsensual PvP where the most likely to stick around. This is the complete opposite of "The Carebear Hypothesis". By the way, CCP also looked at the reason players stated about why they quit and did not just present a correlation. Less than 1% cited ship loss or harassment as the reason they left EVE. I am just using the same study to remind the OP that the basis for his whiny thread is wrong. I am not the one making claims here and who constructs a correlation, but clearly the OP is and it is a correlation which has been shown to be wrong already. And yes it only shows 80'000 players in their first 15 days. But OP was talking about new players and those are the player represented in the study. Obviously the next thing the carebear crowd is saying is that after the 15 days the data would show the complete opposite or like OP here, just completely disregard the study and pretend it is just wrong. They have no basis to claim this, it is completely absurd. They listen to the same gut feeling which already betrayed them and just try to spin some new carebear hypothesis. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2771	Posted - 2016.09.05 15:08:28 - [7] - Quote I guess sometimes reading is just really hard. Or maybe people can't see the difference between fact checking an already existing claim and drawing conclusions from a study. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2771	Posted - 2016.09.05 15:37:01 - [8] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Ima, I'm a little short on cash and I don't mine so there's no point..... but can I please get a permit now please? I'm sold. Did you read the Code and are you ready to accept James 315 as your Saviour? the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2771	Posted - 2016.09.05 17:34:36 - [9] - Quote This thread is complete now the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014

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